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Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby Redneck Hapa » Mon Sep 12, 2011 4:45 am

With the start of dove season, my Oly. was feeling neglected. I took it out yesterday to try out a new load. I loaded Berger 155 grain VLDS with, 45.2 grains of Winchester 748, and used Winchester primers. Again, I am no expert rifleman but I love this load and my K8. As you can see, I pulled and didn't squeeze the trigger on the one flyer of the group. As long as I do my part, the rife does it's part.
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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby Uberschprung » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:17 am

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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby Hoot » Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:41 am

Looks like I'm going to be $50 poorer. :wink:

I haven't gotten the range report composed yet, but the Hornady 180gr SPs shot well this past Saturday over several loadings of Varget and one loading of AR-Comp.

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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby whtsmoke » Mon Sep 12, 2011 3:19 pm

Walt makes a good product, he holds many records with his bullets, him and another bench shooter got me really started in it back in the early 70's.
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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby Hoot » Mon Sep 12, 2011 5:33 pm

Given the gradual throat in the .300 OSSM, I wonder if it just likes long ogive bullets? Has anyone tried any of the other long snouts, like Scenars or Siroccos? I've got like ten boxes of 30 caliber bullets that didn't shoot as well as those Bergers in this caliber. Needless to say, I'm set for life in my other rifles that shoot 30 caliber bullets. What COL do you load them to and is the ogive at or outside the mouth? I do have the latitude of the c_bass16 mag mod, so I can go a little longer than normal if necessary.

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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby Redneck Hapa » Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:23 am

Hoot,
I am running @ 2.400" COL and the ogive is outside the mouth. I too have made the c_bass 16 mag mod. I was led astray when trying the Berger bullets originally, I was told that the COL that the fella was using was 2.270. That put the ogive well into the mouth, so I made the c_bass 16 mag mod. The rest is history.
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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby Hoot » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:38 am

Not to keep bugging you, but have you measured the water capacity of one of your fired cases? I'm trying to correlate your success to my rig, with what I assume is a very roomy chamber. In QL, the difference between the spec 57gr of water and my chamber's resulting 58.9gr of water moves pressure and velocity down significantly.

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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby Redneck Hapa » Wed Sep 21, 2011 6:50 pm

Hoot, after resizing I am running from 56.8 to 57.7 grains of water, and I am at 58.0 grains of water before resizing. I am going to check some more rounds after I shoot this weekend, as well. I will let you know what I find out. I am sorry for the delayed response, I have neglected my Oly. for a week. I am happy to be back and reloading tonight.
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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby Hoot » Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:57 pm

Redneck Hapa wrote:Hoot, after resizing I am running from 56.8 to 57.7 grains of water, and I am at 58.0 grains of water before resizing. I am going to check some more rounds after I shoot this weekend, as well. I will let you know what I find out. I am sorry for the delayed response, I have neglected my Oly. for a week. I am happy to be back and reloading tonight.


Thanks for checking. I appreciate it, but I've decided to take all these boxes of 30 caliber bullets I bought and spent copious amounts of time trying to make shoot in the Oly and put them to good use. It's not like me to give up, but I've committed to selling the 300 OSSM upper to a fellow in Paducah, KY. He's already given me 2/3 of the money, with the rest to follow in a week or two, when I will ship it out. I'm eating the cost of having the barrel threaded, a brake installed and the reloading hardware, but that pales to the amount of money I put into bullets, brass and powder. it's worth it to get out from under this "money pit". He just wants minute of deer out of it, so he's sure he will be happy.

I sold a couple of safe queens and that money, along with the proceeds from the .300 OSSM, has allowed me to purchase an RRA LAR-8 Predator HP, which is en route as I write this. It was reviewed in the July issue of Shooting Times. I was originally going to get an AR based .308 before I bought the Game Stalker upper, so I'm back to the original game plan. I'm not obsessed with weight and actually like a longer rifle, so it should be a good decision.

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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby Globemaster » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:44 pm

somehow I knew that this would come to pass Hoot, (sooner or later) as I could sense your frustration level from some of you later postings; and the AR10 platform has my interest peaked as well



strike up a thread topic, and lets get to chatting about it … as I'd really prefer to build (1) vs. purchasing a complete manufactured brand unit



Hoot wrote: RRA LAR-8 Predator HP

very nice!

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but I like the looks of this one ... :mrgreen:

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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby Hoot » Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:23 am

I promise not to hijack the thread as it's an important one for the .300 OSSM. I would that all of the AR10/LR308s out there that could be built from components have the attributes of this particular model as I could have tweaked it even more to my liking in choosing the components, but that is not the case. Believe me, if it had been available with a bull barrel, I would have gone that route. I'm hoping that the barrels for the plain LAR-8 and the LAR-8 PHP are interchangeable. If that's the case, they sell them as a separate component and I will either relegate the HBAR barrel mine comes with for hunting season, or sell it. Had Oly sold the .300 OSSM components separately, allowing customers the option of building it their way, we might not be having this discussion as I would have tried the SUM barrel before giving up. However, they have their policies and the .300 OSSM is selling wildly because of them. I've prepped 250) '05 and '06 Lake City brass to "like new"and look forward to the rifle arriving next week. I especially look forward to being able to load them up to 1/2" longer than the spec 2.8 COL. A feature pointed out in the Shooting Times article. When the time comes to jump it up to a .338 Federal, .358 Winchester, or down to 260 Rem / 6.5 Creedmoor, that one feature alone will be worth it's weight in gold, but it is one the reasons both the upper and lower are proprietary. It was a trade-off I can accept in the pursuit of accuracy. Other than a scope and possibly a bipod, I'm not into window dressing my ARs.

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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby Redneck Hapa » Sat Sep 24, 2011 6:09 pm

Hoot it has been a nice ride while it lasted. Thanks for helping me out along my journey. I still think that if you would have spent the $50.00, it would have saved you some frustration. Though I may not be a gray beard, I have learned to feed the weapon what it like to eat. Even though my Oly. has an expensive taste, I will continue to feed it what she likes to eat. I wish you the best in your pursuit of the "Tack Driver". Give the bullets in the orange box a chance. lol Take care!
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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby Hoot » Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:16 pm

Redneck Hapa wrote:Hoot it has been a nice ride while it lasted. Thanks for helping me out along my journey. I still think that if you would have spent the $50.00, it would have saved you some frustration. Though I may not be a gray beard, I have learned to feed the weapon what it like to eat. Even though my Oly. has an expensive taste, I will continue to feed it what she likes to eat. I wish you the best in your pursuit of the "Tack Driver". Give the bullets in the orange box a chance. lol Take care!


You are probably right. That's one bullet.

While I can't speak for the 7.62x39 AK underfolder, the other 13 rifles I own, each shoot [b]many[b] bullets like the Oly shoots those 155gr Berger VLDs. 7 of them are semi-autos and three are AR platform, soon to be 4. Used to be more before I sold the FAL, M14, G3 and Garand.

In a cruel twist of fate, the fellow from Paducah developed second thoughts and asked me to send his $400 deposit back. I'm not a mean person and obliged. I too have bought in haste. I re-listed it over on the 450b forum. Couple of guys drooling on it, but no one's found their wallet despite me taking a >$250 loss on it. Image

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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby Hookset » Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:57 am

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I was struggling to get consistent groups with the Sierra's in my gamestalker and just noticed cabelas has the VLD Hunting on sale for 37.59, so I ordered 2 boxes, thanks for posting. Do you know what velosity you were getting from the 45.2 gr of 748?
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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby Redneck Hapa » Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:26 am

I am sorry, at this time I don't know what velocity I am running. As busy as it is getting, I probably won't know until December.
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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby Hookset » Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:34 am

Thanks for the reply, can't wait to do some testing when then come in! Unfortunately I don't have a Chrony, or I would post what I get.
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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby Hoot » Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:42 am

Hoot wrote:...snip...While I can't speak for the 7.62x39 AK underfolder, the other 13 rifles I own, each shoot many bullets like the Oly shoots those 155gr Berger VLDs. 7 of them are semi-autos and three are AR platform, soon to be 4. Used to be more before I sold the FAL, M14, G3 and Garand.

In a cruel twist of fate, the fellow from Paducah developed second thoughts and asked me to send his $400 deposit back. I'm not a mean person and obliged. I too have bought in haste. I re-listed it over on the 450b forum. Couple of guys drooling on it, but no one's found their wallet despite me taking a >$250 loss on it.

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Update: Finally sold it and am taking it to the UPS depot this afternoon. The LAR-8 came and after a 30-shot break-in with XM80s, the first reloaded bullet I tried with it was the 168gr Hornady Amax. Four 5-Shot strings @ 100 yds using ATK AR-Comp yielded .29, .59, .66 and .96 MOA groups. Needless to say, I'm happy with it. I had less than desirable groups with that bullet in the .300 OSSM, but C'est la vie. Good Luck everyone. Most of the fun comes from getting there...

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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby Globemaster » Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:04 am

hopefully you fared better than the other deal that fell though last month; and didn't have to take such a big loss moving the piece
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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby The Outlaw » Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:14 pm

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Ask the Redneck Hapa if those Orange Box bullets will take out an Antelope at 300 + yards. I am real sure he will come back to you. That load took out 2 Bucks Saturday in Colorado. In two weeks we hope to get a chance to try them on Elk. The Outlaw
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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby Hookset » Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:36 pm

got me smiling! Now i just have to get my hands on one of the modified pMag and make the upper modification. Too much fun.
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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby Globemaster » Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:44 pm

Hookset wrote: Now i just have to get my hands on one of the modified PMag

like this (1) ...


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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby Hookset » Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:14 pm

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That picture doesn't look like it has the slot cut in the front to accept the VLD length, does it?
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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby Globemaster » Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:30 pm

nope it doesn't ... this is strictly a 'high-capacity' WSSM mod. :mrgreen:
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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby shootermcmillan » Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:39 pm

If you are in a shooting situation where the VLDs will make a difference, you probably want a shorter mag anyhow. Im not a fan of the long mags when shooting off of a bipod or sandbag, maybe thats just me but I find they get in the way. But i do the ingenuity of these mags is great :thumbs up:
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Re: Berger 155 Grain VLD Bullets

Postby Globemaster » Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:57 pm

shootermcmillan wrote:I'm not a fan of the long mags when shooting off of a bipod or sandbag

this is a 'Hunting Mag' :mrgreen:
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