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Postby jamaic1 » Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:08 pm

In reference to the kel-tec it does what it was designed to do. In that respect I love it. It is as accurate as I am :wink: . The front sight is the only way to adjust sights windage only. The mags work well in both Glock and rifle. I have friends who bought Beretta 92 "tec" versions that work great. My only issue is it ejects brass straight into my right eye. If I have shooting glasses on it's a major distraction if not it hurts like :evil: . When we carried S&W 9mm I bought a Marlin Camp 9 so the mags would interchange. 30 round mags in a pistol is not new news and Mac-10s do not fit in duty holsters. The Camp 9 ejects straight out from the rifle. I assumed the K T would also :roll: . I bought the kel tec for $240 and then found the Oly forum. I gained more knowledge but not more pay :lol: . Thanks for the answer, if I can get my wife to turn lose of my money I'll invest in another adventure.
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Postby melof » Tue Jul 10, 2007 3:28 pm

You might talk to gun smith they might beable to adjust something to change were brass is flying
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Postby Globemaster » Wed Jul 11, 2007 6:54 pm

Project Update:
so as it stands right now Oly is waiting on 9mm CAR barrels at the Factory and I’d be more than willing to wait for the barrel to arrive, but after talking it over with Rattler he asked if a 16in would work for me and I said of course it would “I’m easy” but I do like the style of the CAR is all for this pistol caliber build, so he suggested that I get the UR now in a 16in and then have the barrel cut off and threaded and then have the 5.5 FH pinned and welded, so that’s what I’m going to do! I have the 5.5in FH ordered and I’ll pick up the UR this coming weekend at the gunshow and I’ll contact the machine shop in town next week or so and work out the shop time, but for now I got a heavy barreled 9mm UR with a 16in barrel, and with that I can now get the picatinny GB on the upper with out having to first cut off a FSB of a CAR in order to get it installed, and who knows I may end up preferring the 16in barrel and keeping it in this configuration. :D
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Postby Globemaster » Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:16 am

Whisper_44 wrote:
Globemaster wrote:Does anyone know if these “Magpul loops” will fit on the bottom of a STEN magazine?

click here ---> Magpul 9mm/45cal Subgun Loops


From the MagPul manual

MAGPUL™
9/45 SUBGUN
9MMX19

On Page 4
HK MP5, Steyr AUG 9mm, Colt 9mm, Uzi, Mac
10, Mac11/9, Sterling/STEN, Swed K
Note: The 9mm model will also stretch to fit most
45 cal & 40 cal subgun magazines



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Postby John A. » Sat Jul 14, 2007 2:50 pm

Well GM< it's the weekend and the anticipation is killing me. :knife:

Gasping for breath :scary:


Gotta....

Have.....

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Postby Globemaster » Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:50 pm

here ya go bud! 8) I picked up the K9-UR this morning at the Gun-Show in Puyallup and I must say Longcarbine sure wasn’t kidding when he said Skip built me a good looking upper (Thanks Skip :thumbs up:) and thank you Rattler for the trade :D

I sure hope I can get out tomorrow and give it a run! ...if not it will be next weekend :gunner:

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Postby John A. » Sat Jul 14, 2007 7:13 pm

Dude... 8)

Longcarbine sure wasn't kidding. I like the way it's set up. I believe you'll be quite well pleased with it.

And I like the front grip. Where'd you come up with that?

I'll drop you an email here shortly.
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Postby Globemaster » Sat Jul 14, 2007 8:05 pm

John A. wrote:And I like the front grip. Where'd you come up with that?


I got the VPG when I bought my K3B and here’s a little story to go along with it…..

just before I retired from the Air Force last year, I took my Oly vertical grip into the tool-room (Bench-Stock) as they have a machine there that engraves the tools and I asked the young Airman behind the counter if he could engrave the “USAF” logo and the words “Olympic Arms” on the other side … so I explained to the A1C that it’s a VPG for an AR15 … he said sure no problem and I was sure and I thought I explained it clearly to him as to how the handle worked and how it should read when finished! … but when I came back later on that afternoon to pick it up, he came running over with the handle all happy and proud that he was able to fulfill my special request and after I noticed the mistake I didn’t have the heart to tell him that he cut the letters upside down … I was just happy that he was able to get it all on there and I thanked him for is effort … now you all know why the letters are upside down :D


The Airman also engraved the New Air Force logo into the base of the grip! :flag:

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Postby John A. » Sat Jul 14, 2007 9:43 pm

I was just wondering about the engraving. Pretty good story though, and I believe I would've been as grateful as you were about it. Especially knowing the he was proud to have done it for you and it turned out looking so well, and really it does, but it could've happened to anyone.

Though, I do know some folks who would've given live birth to a calf over the oversight, I think you did the right thing, and sometimes being grateful shows a lot of grace and is a good trait to have.

And to stay on topic, I just noticed the entry stock on there. Does it shoulder comfortably? I would expect it would feel as short as a collapsible.
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Postby hikeeba » Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:58 am

Wow, lots of developments in the short time I was away! Looks great Globemaster! Let us know how it runs, although as it is an Oly, I'm sure it'll run like a top!
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Postby longcarbine » Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:31 pm

Hello GM, Thats a pretty cool looking carbine you got their. but I had question? hows your eye releaf with that short little A@ stock of yours
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Postby Globemaster » Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:47 pm

Longcarbine I like the entry BS and I normally shoot the AR’s with my nose fairly close the charging handle anyways so it works good for me, and I think the build came out looking pretty “cool” or “sick” whichever you prefer, but the thing that really drew me to the 9mm was the use of the STEN Mag’s they really are for the most part an ugly magazine but added to a modern day AR they really come to life and add quite a bit of style and character to the carbine :wink:
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Postby ar_newbie » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:36 am

Another fine rifle build :) GM

Can you tell me more about your mag setup choice?
How do you like the SNS mag well?
Did you have to mill out that slot on mag yourself or did you buy them already modified?
Where did you get the parts?

I ordered some Oly 9mm parts yesterday. Barrel , carrier, lower parts kit, firsh and gas block. Then I looked at your picks and noticed the upper was different (springy looking thing). I then called Tom back and ordered the upper, I think he told me that was the extractor (man... my memory is failing me lately). I wanted to use a Sundevil upper to match the lower but I guess that’s not a possibility. The only thing left is to decide is the mag setup.

Are the Sten mags the only setup that works with the Oly barrel and carrier? Can you use the Uzi or Colt mags with their mag blocks?
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Postby Globemaster » Tue Jul 31, 2007 4:48 pm

Hi AR_Newbie :D we’ll let’s take this one question at a time and I’ll do my best to answer each one in order … and thank you for the complement on the build, I’m thrilled with the way it came out! :thumbs up:



Q: Can you tell me more about your mag setup choice?
A: I chose to go with the SNS Mag well Blocks (MWB-3) for a couple of reasons: 1) because they utilize the magazine release directly “on the magazine” 2) they just look better to me with the “end-milling cut” vs. the “add-on block”



Q: How do you like the SNS mag well?
A: I chose to go with the clear anodized blocks because they stand out in the lower and significantly suggest to the user that this is in-fact a 9mm set-up, as for the blocks are well made and machine to very tight tolerances and fit the magwell perfectly & IMO, either set-up is worthy! but I personally like this style “set-up” better.



Q: Did you have to mill out that slot on mag yourself or did you buy them already modified?
A: I bought (2) magazine from SNS that we’re already cut with the (end-mill) tooling, and if you search the SNS web site a little you can see the (2) different way to get the mag-catch installed into the magazine, one is by the use of a Dremel tool the other is cut in with an end-mill cutting.



Q: Where did you get the parts?
A: If you asking about the K9-UR? I traded some ammunition for the upper. if your asking about the SNS parts, I’ll post his web site here so you can check it out. SNS Industries, Inc.com



Q: Are the Sten mags the only setup that works with the Oly barrel and carrier? Can you use the Uzi or Colt mags with their mag blocks?
A: I’m going to be of no use to you on this question as I too am fairly new to the 9mm AR set-up!



ar_newbie wrote:
The only thing left is to decide is the mag setup

If you’re looking for some advice on which magazine configuration to go with … I’d first suggest going with the Oly modified magazines to start out with and then if you want to spend the some extra on the SNS (MWB) and pick-up some extra Sten mags and either modify them yourself or buy them pre-cut from SNS, then you could run the lower in either configuration depending on your specific needs and even the “Hahn top-load mag block” that hikeeba and longcarbine are using is yet another choice as well!


ETA: I also picked up a few extra Sten Mags from CDNN Investments to run them on the (end-mill) some time in the near future.

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Postby longcarbine » Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:52 pm

Hello ar_newbie, to answer your question about Oly's K9 AR upper, yes it's made for the sten mag, cause the sten mag is a single feed mag and a UZI and or colt mag is a double feed. Oly dcicded to go with the single feed cause of a greater reliability . the double feed (UZI/colt 9mm) mag has a tendency to jam or double feed. i hope this helps
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Postby ar_newbie » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:02 am

Thanks GM and longcarbine,

I should have the parts next week, Oly called and the parts are shipping out. I should have everything now but the mag stuff. I will take a look at the SNS stuff and maybe give them a call.

I will post the build in the SBR section as soon as I get the parts.
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Postby Globemaster » Wed Aug 01, 2007 2:27 pm

ar_newbie wrote:Thanks GM, I will post the build in the SBR section as soon as I get the parts.


your welcome AR_Newbie and I look forward to seeing it! … just be sure and bring lots of pictures 8)

btw: what type of barrel configuration-set-up did you decide to go with on your SBR K9-UR ?

ETA: I originally wanted the CAR length 11.5 with a 5.5 FH on mine and I may still do it sometime down the road, but for right now I’m really pleased with the set-up as it stands.
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Postby ar_newbie » Wed Aug 01, 2007 4:04 pm

I think its around a 7" barrel, I asked Tom for the standard short pistol barrel they have. I have never gone wrong with what he sends me and they always have what I need on the shelf. I should have it next week, I got e-mail conformation it shipped.

A special thanks to Riley (hope I spelled it right) in shipping, he was very patient and helpful because my CC company was giving them a hard time processing the order. I had to call my CC company three times to sort it out, they kept flagging it as some sort of fraud, I was pretty frustrated with Visa by the end of the day.

I spoke with SNS today and have decided to go with the same setup as you, I just need to get a MO and send it out when I have the time.
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Postby Globemaster » Wed Aug 01, 2007 6:33 pm

that’s going to be a sweet SBR! and I’m sure you’ll be more than satisfied with the MWB’s

BTW: this will be the unit that I test out my sample of “Weapon Shield” cleaner-lubricant as I’ll have some time this coming weekend and next week to give it a serious evaluation … I’ll coat the BCG and the other crucial components and run a few hundred rounds on it or until my fun meter is pegged! :gunner:

Q: did you choose to go with the blue or the white blocks?
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Postby SanSaba873 » Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:09 pm

that is an awesome weapon!!
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Postby Globemaster » Wed Aug 01, 2007 11:24 pm

thanks :D
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Postby ar_newbie » Thu Aug 02, 2007 2:13 am

I went with the black blocks.
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Postby Globemaster » Fri Aug 17, 2007 12:34 am

hikeeba wrote:Let us know how it runs, although as it is an Oly, I'm sure it'll run like a top!


Well you were right about it running like a top hikeeba! :D last week I put about a 100 rounds down it and it ran flawlessly! the SNS blocks and magazines worked perfectly, the next time I take it out I’m going to tryout the Oly-modified magazines and I have no doubt that it will perform just a well … what a blast to shoot :gunner:
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Postby Globemaster » Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:48 am

thanks ar_newbie :D


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Postby ar_newbie » Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:42 pm

Your welcome. I had problems with mine on one of my mags. I ended up tweaking the plunger to the left a bit to get it lined up because it was binding. Let me know if you have any problems or see how it can be improved.
It’s a bit out of square, next time I have some extra material I will try and build one to fit the mag profile better.
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