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Why A Pistol Caliber Carbine

Postby mark4Jesus » Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:04 pm

I have read many comments on different forums about pistol caliber carbines (PCC) only being good for toys and not a defensive weapon. I disagree and will explain why. Pistol caliber carbines are useful for a particular situation. Many have commented that they are not "battle" weapons. Why did I purchase one?

Pistol caliber carbines (PCC) have a different purpose than other rifles. A PCC is a close quarter weapon, period. It was not intended for an outdoor long-range battle. If you want to keep people from getting close, you use a rifle. If they are already close, a PCC is an excellent weapon. I purchased a PCC to defend myself and family if someone has entered my house. A PCC is an excellent room clearing/search weapon. When I was in LE and on a SWAT team, we used MP-5's for building search and clearing. A 9mm pistol caliber weapon. By the way, we did not always train to fire full-auto, semi-auto was always an option.

If you want to dream about killing zombies or a Russian invasion, then go get you a rifle caliber AR. If you are interested in the more likely scenario of protecting your home and family from break-in, a PCC is, as I stated before, an excellent weapon. The purposes for the two weapons are different, you cannot make a comparison based on the wrong purpose.

PS - The zombie/Russian comment is not a slam on anyone who owns an AR type rifle, it was just comic relief. When I can afford a 5.56mm, I will buy one myself!
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Re: Why A Pistol Caliber Carbine

Postby Colorado Osprey » Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:11 pm

I have had similar discussions with other internet commandos. My response when they state that the pistol cal carbine of any kind is inadequate I ask what they prefer as most these discussions are on AR discussion boards, their usual answer is a AR in 5.56/.223 or one of its bigger bore versions.

I then let it lie because arguing with most of these people who have never actually had their weapon to defend their life or others are just spewing things they have read. No personal experience. There are valid reasons why LEO and specially trained forces use the pistol cal in CQB. We know why and have used them to successfully execute our duty.

I won't give up my K9. With modern ammo the K9 in lowely 9mm, and shot from a 16" barrel it is equivalent to a .357 magnum from revolver. 32 rounds of 357 equivalent is more than adequate for almost any CQB situation. Add to that the low cost per shot so training can be done cheaper than shooting the 5.56/223 version and it is a win/win.
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Re: Why A Pistol Caliber Carbine

Postby John A. » Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:32 pm

I own several pistol caliber carbines. I love them. And one other aspect why I love mine is that I always run 147 or sometimes even 158 gr subsonics for a defensive load.

If I couldn't get to my subgun, a shotgun would rank very high on my list.
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Re: Why A Pistol Caliber Carbine

Postby Thom » Sun Jul 20, 2014 9:58 pm

I have an Oly .45 upper that's a real rip in the shorts to shoot. Still haven't resolved my lack of magazines though, the Oly synthetics are out of my price range and finding the older converted mags isn't easy. I have everything I need to make a mag block for 1911 mags, just haven't got it done yet. For now I am limited to the one mag that came with the upper, but it's still a lot of fun to shoot.

I also have an older 1911 MechTech CCU that's also in .45. It's feels heavier than my Oly/Cav MKII, but still a lot of fun to shoot and handle.
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Re: Why A Pistol Caliber Carbine

Postby mark4Jesus » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:02 pm

With many weapon choices, the "cool" factor comes into play more often than the practical factor. But such is the way of men and their toys. (I have been guilty of this) What the weapon is going to be used for should always be the guiding factor in selection, which is why I chose a PCC.

Personally, if I am not getting in and out of vehicles and / or buildings, I would prefer an M-16/AR-15 A2. Doesn't look as cool as an M-4, but if you want to reach out and touch someone, I like it more better! The M-4 craze is because of the urban environment of OIF/OEF, with lots of mounted patrol. But if I am dismounted and in open combat, gimme an A2.
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Re: Why A Pistol Caliber Carbine

Postby Shermanator » Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:42 am

I was thinking of getting a 9mm Carbine AR15, I was thinking that the rounds could be used in a hand gun too, plus you can silence a 9mm round better than a 223/5.56.

however as mentioned if you want a further range the 223/5.56 round is better. Also I considered the weight of the rounds a 9mm weighs about the same as a 223/5.56 round, when you have to consider moving large amounts with you.
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Re: Why A Pistol Caliber Carbine

Postby John A. » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:26 am

Long story short, all rounds sent downrange are accounted for. :thumbs up:

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Re: Why A Pistol Caliber Carbine

Postby mark4Jesus » Fri Aug 01, 2014 2:06 am

Cool video!
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Re: Why A Pistol Caliber Carbine

Postby Rattler » Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:21 am

Oly sells quite a few to folks who live in areas where most of their shooting is done at indoor ranges. Few indoor ranges allow hi-power rifle shooting, so the pistol cal options are really great for those folks. Also, it is cost effective, and just plain fun anyway. Some guys buy them for hunting purposes where some areas have caliber restrictions, and pistol cal options make better (and legal) sense. There are, in the end, lots of good reasons to own a pistol cal AR.
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Re: Why A Pistol Caliber Carbine

Postby Baltimoreed11754 » Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:44 pm

I have 2 Oly/CNC AR.45s. Both are a lot of fun to shoot. The SBR with a 12 inch bbl is ideal. It's light, short and very handy. They both use the same ammo as my 1911s or 625 Smiths. As an earlier poster said if I can't solve the problem with a 30 round grease gun mag full of 200 graines, it can't be solved. I've got a Mini 30 and a 300 blkout AR but I would go to the .45 SBR if I needed that much juice.
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Re: Why A Pistol Caliber Carbine

Postby mark4Jesus » Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:44 am

I chose the .40 because my handguns are Glock .40's, a G23 and a G27. Having common ammo and mags is nice and handy. A 22rd mag in a G27 is interesting looking also!
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Re: Why A Pistol Caliber Carbine

Postby woodlandshooter » Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:55 pm

my TNW Aero and my Glock 21 are the perfect match!!
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Re: Why A Pistol Caliber Carbine

Postby mark4Jesus » Sat Jan 24, 2015 4:27 pm

woodlandshooter wrote:my TNW Aero and my Glock 21 are the perfect match!!

Never saw a TNW Aero before, looks handy! How does it shoot?
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Re: Why A Pistol Caliber Carbine

Postby woodlandshooter » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:29 am

for a 45, it does well...I can hit clay pigeons at 200 yards...

it is dropping like a rock at that range tho...
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Re: Why A Pistol Caliber Carbine

Postby Globemaster » Mon Jan 26, 2015 5:29 pm

mark4Jesus wrote:Never saw a TNW Aero before

it must be a TNW® kit, on an Aero® receiver … that would be my guess?
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