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some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby Globemaster » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:47 pm

I picked up a DPMS® AP4 over the weekend, as there was one listed on the local EE, and the seller was offering it up at a pretty sweet price of $875, and it ends up that he bought the unit in 2007 or 2008 and never fired the carbine.

it’s in LNIB condition, and came with all of the original paperwork and factory hard case; I swapped out the M4 buttstock and and A2 grip, and I installed a Magpul® M.O.E.™ buttstock and an Ergo® Ambi™ pistol grip.

it came with a side-sling device around the FSB, and a GG&G Agency Ambi Single Point Sling Adapter, and I took those devices off, as I want to drill the FF/Tube, and mount a bipod/sling attachment point to the tube.


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web link >>> Panther Arms (DPMS) AP4 .308 Review
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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby jerry » Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:21 am

Nice Find especially LNIB unfired. Is that a 16" ? Looks nice with the MOE and FF

I have an AR10 I pieced together and enjoy it alot, it has a 20" tube and I would prefer it a little shorter

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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby Rattler » Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:28 am

Looks good. Just last week I was taking to Uber and HH about getting a set of 308 billet receivers from Mega.
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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby Globemaster » Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:32 am

yes it's a 16in. barrel Jerry, and the seller bought it and two others years ago, and had one other for sale, but I forgot which model he said it was; but I do remember him saying that it had a 20in. barrel; and I'll post up a ranger report once I get the Millett scope mounted.

Rattler, as you well know, I thought about building a .308 on the MA10 receivers, but just those two parts alone cost nearly what I paid for this complete unit; and this seller was awesome to deal with too, as he stated that he worked for a LE Dept in Lakewood.
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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby John A. » Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:43 am

Globemaster wrote:I picked up a DPMS® AP4 over the weekend, as there was one listed on the local EE, and the seller was offering it up at a pretty sweet price of $875, and it ends up that he bought the unit in 2007 or 2008 and never fired the carbine.


I do not understand why anyone would buy a gun, only to never shoot it.

That would be like marrying a woman, and never....

Well, you get the idea.

Never holding her hand. :thumbs up:
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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby Globemaster » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:28 am

John A. wrote:I do not understand why anyone would buy a gun, only to never shoot it

I can only assume that he bought it for investment purposes? and if I had the free time this past weekend, I would have taken it to the range, but this past weekend was already booked up with other plans, as Papa had baby sitting duty on Saturday afternoon/evening, with my 9 month old grand-daugther, and Sunday was spent doing projects around the house.
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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby Rattler » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:34 am

As an LE, a lot of these guys get visions of grandeur when they buy new gear, only to find out they cannot use it, or often cannot qualify with it, or things change, and it is no longer on the "approved" list. That sort of thing. Who knows. Glad he's a nice guy, and hoping that I can work a good deal on the MA10 receivers direct from Mega.
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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby Globemaster » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:52 pm

Rattler wrote:Glad he's a nice guy

a very nice guy; we met up at The Cheesecake Factory in South Center ... I'm pretty sure his Wife was happy after the Sale! :D

Rattler wrote:hoping that I can work a good deal on the MA10 receivers direct from Mega.

if anyone can do it ... it's you!




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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby Uberschprung » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:39 pm

cellular picture, taken with my iPhone 4S :thumbs up:

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okay......I'm officially jealous! :twisted:
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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby Globemaster » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:51 pm

Uberschprung wrote:okay......I'm officially jealous! :twisted:

of the image clarity? or of the cheesecake slice that I ate?
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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby Uberschprung » Mon Jul 16, 2012 7:30 pm

Globemaster wrote:
Uberschprung wrote:okay......I'm officially jealous! :twisted:

of the image clarity? or of the cheesecake slice that I ate?


both! I have the newest iPod touch (the first one with a camera) and it's only a half mega pixel! And I LOVE CHEESECAKE!
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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby Globemaster » Mon Jul 16, 2012 8:04 pm

nice, I like cheesecake too bro, and this was my first time to visit the factory, so I got a slice while I was down that way ... and I think the newer iPhones are 5/Mega Pixels :D
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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby Globemaster » Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:56 pm

so while the sheet-rock ‘mud’ is drying, and or the paint, if they get that far by Friday, I’ll be hitting the range to clear my head, and get this unit benched and zeroed in on the iron sights.

I’ll be using this ammunition …


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Manufacturer: American Tactical Imports MKE76251


Ammo: .308 Win. or 7.62x51 American Tactical FMJ 150 Grain 20 Round Box, NATO Spec M80 Ammo

Details: 20 round boxes of American Tactical Imports 7.62x51mm, 150 Grain, M80 Spec, High quality ammunition. New from the Turkish MKE Arsenal this ammo is brass cased and features crimped boxer primers to prevent backed out primers.

NATO Spec: M80 FMJ load head stamped MKE ‘08’
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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby shootermcmillan » Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:48 pm

I look forward to your range report. Mine shot outstanding groups, it did prefer heavier loads though. Off the bench, using a 6-24 tasco, I printed an 8 shot group that you could cover with a dime using winchester 180 grn. This was on its very first trip to the range. Ihope you see similar results :thumbs up:
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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby Globemaster » Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:05 pm

it looks like I might get out to the range, I'll let ya know how it goes, and I've used this ATI imported ammo on my Savage at the 500 yard rand before, so it should do okay on the semi-auto.
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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby Globemaster » Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:23 pm

I got out to the range on Saturday afternoon, and I got out there just before noon, as we we're having ourselves a mini 'heat-wave' here in the PNW, as the temps got up to about 93degs for both SAT and SUN; it was nice, as I do like the heat.

I took my newly acquired AP4 .308 out for its first range trip, and I did pretty good for just using iron-sights; but it needed a taller forward sight-pin as the rounds were hitting high, and I had the sight-pin wound out to the max.

I had a spare taller pin at home, so I installed it after I got the clean up chores completed; I shot the carbine for 20-rounds, and managed to shoot a decent 3-round group, including the flyer.

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I also took the M91/30 out, as I wanted to slam a few down range, after getting the ‘sniper bolt’ installed on that unit; I pushed 25 rounds downrange as fast as I could manipulate the new bolt handle … not to bad for an 86 year old rifle, with a few mods.

Note: I was on a 50 yard bench for this range outing …

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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby John A. » Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:38 pm

The proof is there.

Both of the guns shoot very well.
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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby Globemaster » Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:07 pm

John A. wrote:Both of the guns shoot very well.

I'm pleased with the results; and I'll range it again, before Bear Season opens up ... and this time, I'll take it out to 100 yards with some optics
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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby John A. » Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:56 pm

I'll keep my fingers crossed that your trail and a bears path cross this go round.

I'm going to start getting my deer plot ready sometime this week. I'm actually getting what I feel like a late start.

I had one set up earlier this year, but the bear and elk came in and tore everything all to pieces so I stopped everything except the mineral block for the last 3 months or so.
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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby Globemaster » Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:21 pm

John A. wrote:I'll keep my fingers crossed that your trail and a bears path cross this go round.

thanks John, and I hope so too; as I didn't much hunting in last year; and with this remodeling project nearing completion; I'm just looking forward to some serious downtime, and just hanging out in the woods for a week or better
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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby Globemaster » Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:01 pm

this could've been a really tight 5-round group, but I dropped a couple of them along the way ... from my DPMS LR8 .308 at 100yrds.


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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby shootermcmillan » Wed Aug 29, 2012 1:56 am

Have you had a chance to try some different ammo, or is that still the ATI 150 grn? As is the case generally, each rifle has aits preferences.....my AP4 liked the Winchester 180 grn for some reason. I thought it odd given the twist rate and the short barrel but just the same, it grouped incredibly. The AP4 is some .308 goodness :thumbs up:
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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby Globemaster » Wed Aug 29, 2012 8:29 am

shootermcmillan wrote:Have you had a chance to try some different ammo, or is that still the ATI 150 grn?

I shot up all of the ATI 150gr. stuff, and this group was shot using Federal 7.62x51mm 149gr. FMJ XM80762 Match Ammo, that was sold to me years ago by Surplus Ammo & Arms, as I picked it up for my Savage bolt-action
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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby John A. » Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:01 pm

Have you decided which rifle(s) you're going to use for the various seasons this fall?
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Re: some DPMS® LR-308 AP4 7.62 goodness

Postby Globemaster » Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:27 pm

John A. wrote:Have you decided which rifle(s) you're going to use for the various seasons this fall?

yes I have ... I'll use the Olympic Arms® 300/Fireball™ that I built from scratch for Deer Season; and I’ll use this factory assembled DPMS® AP4™ .308 for Bear Season; as both are shooting nice tight consistent groups, and should I do well, if giving the opportunity to draw-down on the Big game animals. :thumbs up:
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