this is just wrong! … on so many levels!

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Re: this is so wrong! … on so many levels!

Postby ChicagoGunSmith » Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:57 pm

TravisM.1 wrote:I can see a lever action with a railed fore-end, or a chunk of rail screwed onto the wooden fore-end. I can see a lever action with a rail on top of the receiver. They'd be a great defensive-rifle alternative to places requiring semi-autos to be modified for legal ownership, or outright not allowed. Put an aimpoint on top, and a light on the side, and you'd be set.

But that stock? Uglier than homemade sin.

I agree with you but the pistol grip is worse than the stock. Adjustable stocks are ultra versitile though.


I guess I am not the kind of guy that has any regard for history. For example, I never understood why people buy and pay extra for old guns. For me, there is no such thing as "collector" value. I also am not the kind of guy that feels any nostalgia when someone tries to improve upon something and makes it less "traditional". If, that that's an if, this is an improvement upon broass and walnut, then there is nothing wrong with it. If this is a step backards in the performance and function of the firearm then it'll dissapear.

Just my $0.02 on the subject. Nothing is sacred.
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Re: this is just wrong! … on so many levels!

Postby Once a Marine....... » Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:59 pm

Chicago,
That's just sad that you have never felt the joy of holding a vintage firearm say like a old Colt SAA .... they are dripping with history and all have a story to tell. You just need to listen a little closer. :D

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Re: this is just wrong! … on so many levels!

Postby Globemaster » Fri Jan 27, 2012 12:35 am

I agree, as I have a couple of old M1 Garands and a sweet old 30-40 Krag that all have lots of historical value and nostalgia
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Re: this is just wrong! … on so many levels!

Postby ChicagoGunSmith » Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:01 am

To me it is just a gun like any other. I judge it in its use, ergonomics, cost of ammunition, durability, maintainability, etc... Age, history, past owners, all have no factoring in my personal valuation of anything. That's just me. I'm an odd bird.

For example. I don't get why people pay $20,000 or even double or triple that figure for an original condition 55 Chevy.

Then again if I am to sell a firearm that has "historic" value and someone is willing to pay more than I think it's worth for this perceived value, who am I to argue?
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Re: this is just wrong! … on so many levels!

Postby Hoot » Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:46 am

ChicagoGunSmith wrote:To me it is just a gun like any other. I judge it in its use, ergonomics, cost of ammunition, durability, maintainability, etc... Age, history, past owners, all have no factoring in my personal valuation of anything. That's just me. I'm an odd bird.

For example. I don't get why people pay $20,000 or even double or triple that figure for an original condition 55 Chevy.

Then again if I am to sell a firearm that has "historic" value and someone is willing to pay more than I think it's worth for this perceived value, who am I to argue?


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Re: this is just wrong! … on so many levels!

Postby 9x19MdM » Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:51 am

Hoot wrote:
ChicagoGunSmith wrote:To me it is just a gun like any other. I judge it in its use, ergonomics, cost of ammunition, durability, maintainability, etc... Age, history, past owners, all have no factoring in my personal valuation of anything. That's just me. I'm an odd bird.

For example. I don't get why people pay $20,000 or even double or triple that figure for an original condition 55 Chevy.

Then again if I am to sell a firearm that has "historic" value and someone is willing to pay more than I think it's worth for this perceived value, who am I to argue?


I've ruined three hobbies so far by deciding to do them for a living. Seemed like a good idea at the time. I do learn from my mistakes and luckily, I've resisted making it four. At the risk of sounding misogynistic, one was getting married.

"Like buying a 747 to get more peanuts." :wink:

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Re: this is just wrong! … on so many levels!

Postby whtsmoke » Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:00 am

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Re: this is so wrong! … on so many levels!

Postby TravisM.1 » Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:00 am

ChicagoGunSmith wrote:
TravisM.1 wrote:I can see a lever action with a railed fore-end, or a chunk of rail screwed onto the wooden fore-end. I can see a lever action with a rail on top of the receiver. They'd be a great defensive-rifle alternative to places requiring semi-autos to be modified for legal ownership, or outright not allowed. Put an aimpoint on top, and a light on the side, and you'd be set.

But that stock? Uglier than homemade sin.

I agree with you but the pistol grip is worse than the stock. Adjustable stocks are ultra versitile though.

I guess I am not the kind of guy that has any regard for history. For example, I never understood why people buy and pay extra for old guns. For me, there is no such thing as "collector" value. I also am not the kind of guy that feels any nostalgia when someone tries to improve upon something and makes it less "traditional". If, that that's an if, this is an improvement upon broass and walnut, then there is nothing wrong with it. If this is a step backards in the performance and function of the firearm then it'll dissapear.

Just my $0.02 on the subject. Nothing is sacred.


You must be one of the handful of guys on the planet that feels that way.
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Re: this is just wrong! … on so many levels!

Postby cz7 » Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:32 pm

that thing is so fuclgy it needs a home in a nut house ,mom would throw it with the water out the window !!! what a can you with too much time on hand ? made good weapons better but this ___________________________ better Q.C. _._._._. :yikes:
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Re: this is just wrong! … on so many levels!

Postby mechanic » Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:11 pm

I don't know how I missed this last year. I can relate to CGS and Hoot about working with things on a daily basis removes the attraction to it. As Hoot said I to ruined my hobby of building muscle cars by making a carrier out of it. Auto makers insult my intelligence with the prices they want for their autos. It's a tool, only a tool to get from point A to B, thats it nothing more. It's glass, plastic and metal, Period. I can't relate to people buying collector cars and expensive vehicles to fuel their ego. It only ends badly for them in the end when it's destroyed. As for guns that hobby is doing fine and I do enjoy the older ones with history to tell. As for that mossburg it UGLY completely UGLY on all counts.
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Re: this is just wrong! … on so many levels!

Postby Treehugger » Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:00 pm

They forgot the bayonet lug, and the underslung 37mm grenade launcher. Is there a belt feed option? Maybe Dillon Aero can put a rotating six-barrel on it and really cause some eye strain.
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